1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:06,309 [Applause] 2 00:00:11,150 --> 00:00:10,459 hey Seth how you doing good how are you 3 00:00:14,030 --> 00:00:11,160 good 4 00:00:17,570 --> 00:00:14,040 you're on the air welcome you're on the 5 00:00:21,980 --> 00:00:17,580 air with myself Mike Joe and my brother 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:21,990 clown baby we were on baby yes that's 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:24,810 his birth name it's fine all right 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:29,010 I uh I was looking at your your 9 00:00:33,350 --> 00:00:31,410 Kickstarter a few days ago for the the 10 00:00:37,490 --> 00:00:33,360 Mothman series and I was taking a look 11 00:00:40,430 --> 00:00:37,500 at the small town monsters comm site in 12 00:00:42,459 --> 00:00:40,440 which you run and I'm so what were you 13 00:00:48,770 --> 00:00:42,469 from and how did you started in 14 00:00:50,450 --> 00:00:48,780 filmmaking I'm in Northeast Ohio and I 15 00:00:53,260 --> 00:00:50,460 apologize that you looked at the website 16 00:00:58,119 --> 00:00:53,270 because it's it's atrocious 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:00:58,129 but yeah I got into filmmaking totally 18 00:01:05,630 --> 00:01:01,770 by accident because I mean originally 19 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:05,640 small town monster's was a book and it 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:08,729 didn't go quite the way I planned when I 21 00:01:13,070 --> 00:01:10,650 started submitting it to publisher so I 22 00:01:15,679 --> 00:01:13,080 ended up kind of pitching these buddies 23 00:01:18,140 --> 00:01:15,689 of mine the idea of just getting 24 00:01:20,539 --> 00:01:18,150 together whatever equipment we could and 25 00:01:24,380 --> 00:01:20,549 turning one of the stories that was in 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:24,390 my book proposal into a documentary and 27 00:01:28,370 --> 00:01:26,610 that was that was pretty much how it how 28 00:01:32,359 --> 00:01:28,380 it began now having said that I was 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:32,369 always very into film and like my dream 30 00:01:38,569 --> 00:01:35,250 as a as a teenager an angsty teenager 31 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:38,579 was to go to New York Film Academy and 32 00:01:42,410 --> 00:01:41,130 become a film director so one of the 33 00:01:45,770 --> 00:01:42,420 guys who's actually working as our 34 00:01:48,010 --> 00:01:45,780 director of photography is one of the 35 00:01:51,020 --> 00:01:48,020 like him and I met because of our 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:51,030 interest in becoming you know film film 37 00:01:58,069 --> 00:01:55,890 school geeks so even though I didn't 38 00:02:00,499 --> 00:01:58,079 really connect the dots on the fact that 39 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:00,509 I was making movies until after we had 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:02,369 actually made Minerva monster it's it's 41 00:02:06,950 --> 00:02:04,290 something I've always wanted to do you 42 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:06,960 know I'm where I think all of the show 43 00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:09,450 are from Ohio Julie you're from Ohio as 44 00:02:12,290 --> 00:02:10,080 well right 45 00:02:14,930 --> 00:02:12,300 born in Cleveland yeah I was 46 00:02:16,100 --> 00:02:14,940 born and raised and Canal Fulton Ohio in 47 00:02:19,820 --> 00:02:16,110 between Akron and Canton 48 00:02:23,150 --> 00:02:19,830 I'm in wodsworth dude there was now 49 00:02:26,510 --> 00:02:23,160 Fulton all the time ie I was just at the 50 00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:26,520 what is it the sisters the the house the 51 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:28,110 sister's house or whatever the 52 00:02:31,580 --> 00:02:29,490 restaurant 53 00:02:33,350 --> 00:02:31,590 like a couple months ago I had breakfast 54 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:33,360 in there I just I know the the canal 55 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:35,970 boat lounge that's all I know they I've 56 00:02:41,180 --> 00:02:37,770 been back I haven't been there in a 15 57 00:02:43,910 --> 00:02:41,190 years but I bloom Columbus now so cool 58 00:02:46,460 --> 00:02:43,920 yeah but yes very soon they lived in 59 00:02:48,410 --> 00:02:46,470 wodsworth so you've been covering the 60 00:02:52,460 --> 00:02:48,420 cryptozoology and the paranormal stuff 61 00:02:54,350 --> 00:02:52,470 very very well you're doing 62 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:54,360 documentaries on it you're you try to do 63 00:03:00,290 --> 00:02:58,290 a book what is the most convincing story 64 00:03:04,550 --> 00:03:00,300 you've come across so far when it comes 65 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:04,560 to this weird [\h__\h] I mean it depends on 66 00:03:08,330 --> 00:03:06,450 what we're talking about because I don't 67 00:03:10,460 --> 00:03:08,340 necessarily connect like the Bigfoot 68 00:03:12,260 --> 00:03:10,470 stuff with like Mothman I think they're 69 00:03:15,410 --> 00:03:12,270 two completely different subjects but um 70 00:03:18,350 --> 00:03:15,420 I you know like when it comes to Mothman 71 00:03:21,410 --> 00:03:18,360 I don't know what to make of this story 72 00:03:24,260 --> 00:03:21,420 like I was drawn to make a Mothman movie 73 00:03:25,850 --> 00:03:24,270 as much by the Silver Bridge collapse 74 00:03:31,370 --> 00:03:25,860 which I consider to be a very natural 75 00:03:33,580 --> 00:03:31,380 you know man you know man-made disaster 76 00:03:37,220 --> 00:03:33,590 rather than some sort of paranormal 77 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:37,230 instant but um I don't know that's a 78 00:03:40,490 --> 00:03:38,850 good question I think I'm really 79 00:03:43,220 --> 00:03:40,500 fascinated by the matter of a case the 80 00:03:45,860 --> 00:03:43,230 Minerva monster case it's like a you 81 00:03:48,250 --> 00:03:45,870 know this family Amir of Ohio who had 82 00:03:51,740 --> 00:03:48,260 something coming up behind their house 83 00:03:53,270 --> 00:03:51,750 repeatedly over this one summer throwing 84 00:03:55,250 --> 00:03:53,280 rocks at the roof of their house and 85 00:03:58,940 --> 00:03:55,260 stuff like that multiple members of the 86 00:04:00,830 --> 00:03:58,950 family saw this thing whatever they were 87 00:04:04,220 --> 00:04:00,840 seeing seems to have killed their dog by 88 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:04,230 by ripping it out of its leash and 89 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:07,410 snapping its neck yeah it's just a weird 90 00:04:11,449 --> 00:04:09,510 story it's like it's one of my favorite 91 00:04:14,930 --> 00:04:11,459 stories just because so many members the 92 00:04:17,780 --> 00:04:14,940 family saw this thing and it's one of 93 00:04:19,670 --> 00:04:17,790 those stories where every every time I 94 00:04:24,460 --> 00:04:19,680 hear an account connected to it that 95 00:04:27,110 --> 00:04:24,470 seems outlandish it ends up being 96 00:04:29,029 --> 00:04:27,120 corroborated by someone which is you 97 00:04:31,339 --> 00:04:29,039 know normally you hear these really like 98 00:04:32,659 --> 00:04:31,349 ridiculous accounts and you kind of can 99 00:04:35,330 --> 00:04:32,669 write them off and in the case of the 100 00:04:37,189 --> 00:04:35,340 Minerva monster and I'm not talking 101 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:37,199 about like Bigfoot's disappearing 102 00:04:40,610 --> 00:04:38,490 through portals or anything but more 103 00:04:42,980 --> 00:04:40,620 like like for instance there's a story 104 00:04:45,290 --> 00:04:42,990 in Minerva monster where where this guy 105 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:45,300 told us that he was standing on the hill 106 00:04:51,050 --> 00:04:47,310 behind his house with there a neighbor 107 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:51,060 lady and they were talking or something 108 00:04:55,399 --> 00:04:53,520 and and she was making fun of him for 109 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:55,409 thinking that this creature was up in 110 00:04:58,670 --> 00:04:56,849 the woods and so she turned and looked 111 00:05:00,649 --> 00:04:58,680 up into the woods and she said you know 112 00:05:02,089 --> 00:05:00,659 if you're if you're really up there why 113 00:05:04,010 --> 00:05:02,099 don't you hit me right between the eyes 114 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:04,020 with a rock and like he told us that 115 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:05,969 instantly a rock came out of the woods 116 00:05:10,430 --> 00:05:07,289 and smacked her right between the eyes 117 00:05:12,740 --> 00:05:10,440 and it sounds like the most ridiculous 118 00:05:15,379 --> 00:05:12,750 you know kind of outlandish story and 119 00:05:17,930 --> 00:05:15,389 then like I don't know this past summer 120 00:05:19,850 --> 00:05:17,940 actually the the guy's wife that was 121 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:19,860 telling us the story she dropped a bomb 122 00:05:22,850 --> 00:05:21,210 on me that she was there when it 123 00:05:26,420 --> 00:05:22,860 happened and she saw it happen and then 124 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:26,430 the woman I actually met the woman this 125 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:28,650 past summer who got hit between their 126 00:05:33,649 --> 00:05:31,409 eyes with a rock she like totally back 127 00:05:35,149 --> 00:05:33,659 that story up and it's just you know 128 00:05:37,189 --> 00:05:35,159 again it's not like I'm talking about 129 00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:37,199 Bigfoot's disappearing into UFOs but 130 00:05:41,749 --> 00:05:39,900 that particular little story sounded so 131 00:05:44,420 --> 00:05:41,759 silly to me and then to have people 132 00:05:46,339 --> 00:05:44,430 backing up so I don't know Minerva's is 133 00:05:48,260 --> 00:05:46,349 probably my favorite of all of us well I 134 00:05:50,409 --> 00:05:48,270 mean this we talk a lot about a lot of 135 00:05:52,550 --> 00:05:50,419 different goofy things on this show and 136 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:52,560 just because we talk about certain 137 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:53,610 topics doesn't mean we necessarily 138 00:05:59,360 --> 00:05:56,250 believe them but I'm I want to believe 139 00:06:01,969 --> 00:05:59,370 certain things whether there's concrete 140 00:06:05,529 --> 00:06:01,979 proof or not I like to indulge in this 141 00:06:10,269 --> 00:06:05,539 stuff in the stuff that you cover Seth 142 00:06:12,619 --> 00:06:10,279 like yeah do you believe actually in 143 00:06:13,909 --> 00:06:12,629 these paranormal accounts when you're 144 00:06:15,769 --> 00:06:13,919 making a movie or is it tongue-in-cheek 145 00:06:17,269 --> 00:06:15,779 do you take it serious or do you are you 146 00:06:18,490 --> 00:06:17,279 just trying to have fun with the subject 147 00:06:21,769 --> 00:06:18,500 matter 148 00:06:23,689 --> 00:06:21,779 I'm not tongue-in-cheek I think there's 149 00:06:26,899 --> 00:06:23,699 plenty of that out there my goal when we 150 00:06:29,959 --> 00:06:26,909 make the movies is actually to kind of 151 00:06:32,029 --> 00:06:29,969 bring back that 1970s documentary a type 152 00:06:34,010 --> 00:06:32,039 of approach to Bigfoot and the 153 00:06:36,490 --> 00:06:34,020 paranormal so like you know a big 154 00:06:38,410 --> 00:06:36,500 inspiration for us is like in search of 155 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:38,420 and and then just like documentaries 156 00:06:42,430 --> 00:06:41,210 that I watch so there's you know if you 157 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:42,440 want tongue-in-cheek you can go watch 158 00:06:47,590 --> 00:06:44,210 mountain monsters or whatever bull craps 159 00:06:50,050 --> 00:06:47,600 on TV whereas I'm more interested in in 160 00:06:52,630 --> 00:06:50,060 you know like basically telling 161 00:06:55,570 --> 00:06:52,640 objective documentaries about a subject 162 00:06:59,110 --> 00:06:55,580 that most people kind of laugh off we 163 00:07:01,690 --> 00:06:59,120 don't bring our own slant to the movies 164 00:07:04,030 --> 00:07:01,700 so I'm they're not made to convince 165 00:07:06,130 --> 00:07:04,040 people of the rehab the reality of 166 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:06,140 things that we don't know you know I 167 00:07:10,810 --> 00:07:08,090 don't know for myself if these things 168 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:10,820 exist but rather they're you know 169 00:07:14,620 --> 00:07:12,710 they're very objective they're told in 170 00:07:17,110 --> 00:07:14,630 the same way that I learned how to do 171 00:07:19,510 --> 00:07:17,120 newspaper reporting I mean we pretty 172 00:07:21,630 --> 00:07:19,520 much just relate the stories and let our 173 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:21,640 audience kind of make up their own minds 174 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:26,810 do I believe like 100% in in Bigfoot or 175 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:28,730 Mothman er I don't think I don't think I 176 00:07:32,860 --> 00:07:30,650 could say I do I'm I'm still very 177 00:07:34,750 --> 00:07:32,870 skeptical I hate the term skeptical 178 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:34,760 because people tend to try to label me 179 00:07:39,670 --> 00:07:36,800 then there's like a Joe Nickell to old 180 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:39,680 nickel like skeptic which I I'm not but 181 00:07:44,050 --> 00:07:41,210 I definitely have more of a skeptical 182 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:44,060 approach personally but I you know again 183 00:07:47,890 --> 00:07:46,250 my own my own personal interests and 184 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:47,900 stuff kind of get written out of the 185 00:07:50,590 --> 00:07:49,520 movies I don't include myself in the 186 00:07:55,750 --> 00:07:50,600 movies 187 00:07:58,140 --> 00:07:55,760 just said the other day to someone 188 00:08:00,880 --> 00:07:58,150 because they asked me if I'm like a big 189 00:08:03,430 --> 00:08:00,890 Finding Bigfoot fan or whatever no I 190 00:08:07,420 --> 00:08:03,440 said honestly I think our movies are 191 00:08:09,460 --> 00:08:07,430 more of a response a response to Finding 192 00:08:10,300 --> 00:08:09,470 Bigfoot and mountain monsters and all 193 00:08:13,540 --> 00:08:10,310 that kind of stuff than they are 194 00:08:17,770 --> 00:08:13,550 anything we're just I'm fed up with the 195 00:08:19,990 --> 00:08:17,780 the kind of tongue-in-cheek and just 196 00:08:21,580 --> 00:08:20,000 like even the not even the ones that 197 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:21,590 take the subject seriously or so 198 00:08:25,870 --> 00:08:23,570 overdramatic 199 00:08:28,510 --> 00:08:25,880 you know I just that kind of stuff turns 200 00:08:32,589 --> 00:08:28,520 me off so I make I make movies about 201 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:32,599 these subjects the way that I would like 202 00:08:41,020 --> 00:08:39,880 like Ghost Hunters like is that the kind 203 00:08:42,370 --> 00:08:41,030 of stuff that you're trying to avoid 204 00:08:44,290 --> 00:08:42,380 like when you watch Ghost Hunters you're 205 00:08:47,170 --> 00:08:44,300 like oh my god these guys are 206 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:47,180 sensational like it's it's it's just a 207 00:08:50,660 --> 00:08:49,529 lot of hype and speculation 208 00:08:52,220 --> 00:08:50,670 this is the kind of stuff you're not 209 00:08:56,540 --> 00:08:52,230 going for and then you're also not going 210 00:08:59,269 --> 00:08:56,550 for the oh that kind of thing it's more 211 00:09:03,829 --> 00:08:59,279 just exactly as your look it's a yeah 212 00:09:05,629 --> 00:09:03,839 and you know like I I totally understand 213 00:09:07,790 --> 00:09:05,639 those guys I actually know some of the 214 00:09:09,049 --> 00:09:07,800 Center guys and know the finding but I'm 215 00:09:11,150 --> 00:09:09,059 gonna be with some of the Finding 216 00:09:14,059 --> 00:09:11,160 Bigfoot guys in like two weeks actually 217 00:09:15,799 --> 00:09:14,069 next Thursday so so I totally understand 218 00:09:17,210 --> 00:09:15,809 it's a job and like I get their approach 219 00:09:19,790 --> 00:09:17,220 to the subject and I get that they don't 220 00:09:21,530 --> 00:09:19,800 have a say over either you know they're 221 00:09:22,790 --> 00:09:21,540 working for a network a multi-billion 222 00:09:24,470 --> 00:09:22,800 dollar network that has a specific 223 00:09:27,079 --> 00:09:24,480 storytelling mode that they think 224 00:09:30,259 --> 00:09:27,089 applies to the demographics that they're 225 00:09:33,290 --> 00:09:30,269 targeting so but I don't have to worry 226 00:09:35,389 --> 00:09:33,300 about that craft because I make indie 227 00:09:38,030 --> 00:09:35,399 documentaries that we fund through 228 00:09:39,829 --> 00:09:38,040 Kickstarter so you know like we're we're 229 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:39,839 kind of able to do whatever we want and 230 00:09:44,929 --> 00:09:41,730 tell the stories in the way that we want 231 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:44,939 to tell them I mean my crew for the guys 232 00:09:49,429 --> 00:09:46,170 that are working on these are mostly 233 00:09:52,100 --> 00:09:49,439 guys that I grew up with who who just 234 00:09:53,509 --> 00:09:52,110 have fun making movies with me they they 235 00:09:55,460 --> 00:09:53,519 would make a movie if I was making a 236 00:09:57,049 --> 00:09:55,470 movie about like dress shop you know 237 00:09:58,610 --> 00:09:57,059 like a wedding dress shop they'd 238 00:10:03,499 --> 00:09:58,620 probably want to do it just just because 239 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:03,509 it's movie small town monster's the 240 00:10:08,869 --> 00:10:05,850 wedding dress yeah I like that I don't 241 00:10:12,799 --> 00:10:08,879 know where no sort of why we we all have 242 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:12,809 actually but um during filming but but 243 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:15,930 anyway yeah it's I don't even remember 244 00:10:19,309 --> 00:10:17,250 what I was saying finds the wedding 245 00:10:20,780 --> 00:10:19,319 night now you might think this is not a 246 00:10:23,569 --> 00:10:20,790 serious question that I'm about ready to 247 00:10:25,340 --> 00:10:23,579 ask but this is I'm absolutely serious 248 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:25,350 about this and I want you to ask this 249 00:10:29,090 --> 00:10:26,730 question on some more of the 250 00:10:31,119 --> 00:10:29,100 investigations you go on I'm very secure 251 00:10:36,350 --> 00:10:31,129 II I'm very curious about 252 00:10:39,079 --> 00:10:36,360 cryptozoological genitalia it's 253 00:10:40,699 --> 00:10:39,089 overlooked in witness accounts like as 254 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:40,709 soon as I look at somebody I'm going 255 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:42,569 straight to the crotch and so if I see a 256 00:10:46,220 --> 00:10:43,860 Bigfoot and then straight to the crotch 257 00:10:48,439 --> 00:10:46,230 what about Bigfoot tits I didn't even 258 00:10:51,049 --> 00:10:48,449 know if Bigfoot women like female 259 00:10:54,290 --> 00:10:51,059 Bigfoot's do they have tits well I mean 260 00:10:56,989 --> 00:10:54,300 in the patterson/gimlin subject which is 261 00:10:59,329 --> 00:10:56,999 like the famous film of the oh my god I 262 00:11:00,490 --> 00:10:59,339 sound like I sound like a total picture 263 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:00,500 geek right 264 00:11:05,710 --> 00:11:03,770 the the the patterson-gimlin film shows 265 00:11:08,230 --> 00:11:05,720 the you know the the Bigfoot walking 266 00:11:13,210 --> 00:11:08,240 across the the famous film I mean you 267 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:13,220 guys know absolute yeah okay okay I mean 268 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:16,370 that supposedly has has boobs she 269 00:11:25,420 --> 00:11:18,530 supposedly had boobs but yeah I kind of 270 00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:25,430 agree because c-cup we turn she's good 271 00:11:29,020 --> 00:11:26,000 she's good 272 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:29,030 okay she had to gosh yeah you're in jail 273 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:33,110 now okay so yeah no but um I actually 274 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:34,370 kind of had the same question 275 00:11:40,530 --> 00:11:36,530 occasionally because I've never I've 276 00:11:43,750 --> 00:11:40,540 never spoken to a witness who says a 277 00:11:46,690 --> 00:11:43,760 single word about like seeing a package 278 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:46,700 which to me is is interesting cuz you 279 00:11:49,990 --> 00:11:48,650 know that you're talking about an eight 280 00:11:51,580 --> 00:11:50,000 foot tall eight it's got to have 281 00:11:52,030 --> 00:11:51,590 something there right yeah I would 282 00:11:54,130 --> 00:11:52,040 totally agree 283 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:54,140 even when I'm walking my dog and I see 284 00:11:59,620 --> 00:11:57,650 another dog that's like not spayed or 285 00:12:01,870 --> 00:11:59,630 neutered you know you know you like oh 286 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:01,880 my God look at that dogs balls I mean 287 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:04,130 they're huge really I mean not even like 288 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:05,650 I'm like looking for it 289 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:09,710 you see it peripherally it's hard not to 290 00:12:14,350 --> 00:12:12,110 see dog balls sometimes and so ya know 291 00:12:26,410 --> 00:12:14,360 that's actually the tagline on our next 292 00:12:27,250 --> 00:12:26,420 movie about the dog man or man dog first 293 00:12:34,030 --> 00:12:27,260 I 294 00:12:36,610 --> 00:12:34,040 lot of stories about goatman and very 295 00:12:39,790 --> 00:12:36,620 rarely will we run into a Bigfoot 296 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:39,800 sighting where they talk about genitalia 297 00:12:43,270 --> 00:12:41,270 there's occasionally where we will read 298 00:12:45,370 --> 00:12:43,280 a story that with about like maybe a 299 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:45,380 woman who's had an affair with a Bigfoot 300 00:12:47,250 --> 00:12:46,970 in a marijuana field or something like 301 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:47,260 that 302 00:12:53,290 --> 00:12:50,510 yeah but very rarely do people recount 303 00:12:55,690 --> 00:12:53,300 those kind of details I think that's 304 00:12:57,700 --> 00:12:55,700 actually quite critical for any kind of 305 00:13:03,010 --> 00:12:57,710 believability in in these paranormal 306 00:13:07,110 --> 00:13:03,020 sightings are sure yeah have you heard 307 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:07,120 of the missing 4:01 phenomenon yeah 308 00:13:17,470 --> 00:13:14,610 what's your take on that man you feel 309 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:17,480 so missing for one one fans are 310 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:21,360 notoriously defensive yeah so I've been 311 00:13:25,370 --> 00:13:23,130 I've been run through the wringer 312 00:13:26,990 --> 00:13:25,380 because of a podcast I used to do if I 313 00:13:30,740 --> 00:13:27,000 pick so where I spoke very frankly about 314 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:30,750 my beliefs and these things all the time 315 00:13:38,540 --> 00:13:34,770 so don't don't feel bad here's you know 316 00:13:39,950 --> 00:13:38,550 like I've seen David speak in person and 317 00:13:43,700 --> 00:13:39,960 he did a really good job 318 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:43,710 and and I think David as a it's it's 319 00:13:50,510 --> 00:13:48,210 definitely an intriguing concept I don't 320 00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:50,520 understand where he's going with any of 321 00:13:55,100 --> 00:13:53,550 it so and I and I know that I say things 322 00:13:56,900 --> 00:13:55,110 like that and then the the typical 323 00:13:58,220 --> 00:13:56,910 responses well you're an idiot and this 324 00:13:59,900 --> 00:13:58,230 is what you're supposed to do if you're 325 00:14:01,280 --> 00:13:59,910 an investigator you don't you just put 326 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:01,290 the information out there and I'm like 327 00:14:05,630 --> 00:14:03,690 well I I get that but when you're 328 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:05,640 charging $40 a book and the information 329 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:07,050 just keeps coming and coming and coming 330 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:08,810 and there's never any you know 331 00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:10,890 conclusions being drawn or some some 332 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:14,160 sort of pointers towards something but 333 00:14:17,210 --> 00:14:15,930 at the same time I really respect the 334 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:17,220 guy because you know he's obviously 335 00:14:23,570 --> 00:14:19,290 putting a lot of work into this so I 336 00:14:26,060 --> 00:14:23,580 don't know so defensive anymore because 337 00:14:27,829 --> 00:14:26,070 of how I mean seriously I've had yeah 338 00:14:30,980 --> 00:14:27,839 like you said death threats I had a guy 339 00:14:33,290 --> 00:14:30,990 say after I mentioned 401 and I'm not 340 00:14:35,870 --> 00:14:33,300 even demeaning against four one one you 341 00:14:38,030 --> 00:14:35,880 know I pretty much just speak my mind on 342 00:14:39,530 --> 00:14:38,040 things and I had a guy's say that he 343 00:14:43,340 --> 00:14:39,540 wanted to take me out in the woods and 344 00:14:45,980 --> 00:14:43,350 feed me to a bear so that was really did 345 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:45,990 he do that like a gate like a hairy fat 346 00:14:49,340 --> 00:14:47,250 gay guy or what 347 00:14:51,829 --> 00:14:49,350 no I mean I had no idea you know he's 348 00:14:54,620 --> 00:14:51,839 this profile picture was Homer Simpson's 349 00:14:56,780 --> 00:14:54,630 I I found I find like the more repost on 350 00:14:58,760 --> 00:14:56,790 YouTube are clips from this podcast on 351 00:15:00,620 --> 00:14:58,770 YouTube the Bigfoot community the 352 00:15:03,380 --> 00:15:00,630 missing 401 community beard they're all 353 00:15:05,390 --> 00:15:03,390 very closely knit and they have a belief 354 00:15:07,579 --> 00:15:05,400 system and if you rock the boat either 355 00:15:11,930 --> 00:15:07,589 way they come down hearty it's like a 356 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:11,940 religion sure yeah yeah no it is and 357 00:15:17,570 --> 00:15:14,310 like we we've definitely we've 358 00:15:19,010 --> 00:15:17,580 definitely found our niche within the 359 00:15:21,079 --> 00:15:19,020 Bigfoot community there's a very 360 00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:21,089 specific like type of people who really 361 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:23,910 respond to our artwork and and support 362 00:15:26,990 --> 00:15:26,610 us and all that kind of stuff but there 363 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:27,000 is 364 00:15:35,210 --> 00:15:30,710 a a contingent of the community that 365 00:15:36,950 --> 00:15:35,220 can't stand us stand me it's not us it's 366 00:15:38,510 --> 00:15:36,960 just me and that's just from having like 367 00:15:41,180 --> 00:15:38,520 you guys it's just from I had a podcast 368 00:15:43,340 --> 00:15:41,190 and you know I it had a following 369 00:15:46,460 --> 00:15:43,350 because it was about Bigfoot so why did 370 00:15:48,620 --> 00:15:46,470 you stop doing your podcast the movies 371 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:48,630 mostly I just in them you know we're 372 00:15:52,580 --> 00:15:50,490 having my wife's having a baby in April 373 00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:52,590 so it's like between we're putting out 374 00:15:58,670 --> 00:15:55,110 two movies this year having a kid I'm 375 00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:58,680 working on a book and then I've got 376 00:16:02,900 --> 00:16:00,240 events throughout the year I'm flying to 377 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:02,910 San Francisco I'm going to Montana I've 378 00:16:08,660 --> 00:16:05,250 got screenings and all kinds of stuff so 379 00:16:10,940 --> 00:16:08,670 mostly it was it was a time thing but I 380 00:16:18,070 --> 00:16:10,950 handed it over to my co-host and he does 381 00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:20,960 yeah no totally hundred-percent Bigfoot 382 00:16:33,860 --> 00:16:31,260 nice good thank you very much for taking 383 00:16:36,410 --> 00:16:33,870 the time out of your day to talk with us 384 00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:36,420 and we'll definitely post a link up to 385 00:16:40,490 --> 00:16:38,910 your Kickstarter the Mothman of Point 386 00:16:43,370 --> 00:16:40,500 Pleasant and the invasion of Chestnut 387 00:16:45,890 --> 00:16:43,380 Ridge definitely donate to this 388 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:45,900 Kickstarter he needs he brought halfway 389 00:16:51,980 --> 00:16:49,410 there so far get down there give he's 390 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:51,990 got various levels of donation supports 391 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:54,450 that small town monster's calm and buy 392 00:17:14,030 --> 00:16:57,290 some [\h__\h] from him we're like we're like 393 00:17:15,620 --> 00:17:14,040 230 percent funded actually twenty two 394 00:17:18,350 --> 00:17:15,630 thousand one hundred fifty three dollars 395 00:17:20,270 --> 00:17:18,360 is a very oddly specific goal set yeah 396 00:17:22,660 --> 00:17:20,280 well I think he's very particularly in 397 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:22,670 his exactly he's got a budget stuff 398 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:26,910 obviously not well look I'm Dyslexic and 399 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:31,050 I'm stupid what do you want from me but 400 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:31,770 it's endearing 401 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:34,410 yeah whatever so he didn't even come on 402 00:17:38,890 --> 00:17:36,530 the show 403 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:38,900 I should I should have let that go when 404 00:17:47,290 --> 00:17:44,950 okay well I actually have a quick 405 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:47,300 question is there any way to get to buy 406 00:17:51,850 --> 00:17:49,850 like digital copies of your current 407 00:17:54,010 --> 00:17:51,860 movies that you have on the site okay 408 00:17:56,740 --> 00:17:54,020 I've stored it only looks like it to 409 00:17:58,930 --> 00:17:56,750 DVDs yeah we got a we gotta get we're 410 00:18:00,970 --> 00:17:58,940 working on an updated website that'll 411 00:18:03,670 --> 00:18:00,980 clearly point everyone to this stuff but 412 00:18:06,580 --> 00:18:03,680 we're on Amazon so like in fact our 413 00:18:08,020 --> 00:18:06,590 second movie is free on prime right now 414 00:18:10,990 --> 00:18:08,030 so you can watch beast of Whitehall for 415 00:18:13,210 --> 00:18:11,000 free Minerva monster and bog monster bus 416 00:18:15,550 --> 00:18:13,220 on Amazon and then if you want to buy 417 00:18:20,020 --> 00:18:15,560 like DRM free download you can get them 418 00:18:22,180 --> 00:18:20,030 through Vimeo on demand awesome look I'd 419 00:18:24,610 --> 00:18:22,190 love to like watch some documentaries on 420 00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:24,620 on these weird creatures in Ohio my 421 00:18:28,930 --> 00:18:28,400 backyard to be great nervous nervous is 422 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:28,940 Ohio 423 00:18:31,810 --> 00:18:30,410 oh I remember I used to be on the the 424 00:18:33,610 --> 00:18:31,820 basketball team we used to play in 425 00:18:36,490 --> 00:18:33,620 inverted Minerva all the time used to 426 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:36,500 kick our house do I know that's kinda 427 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:38,510 surprising cuz it's a whole lot of white 428 00:18:43,210 --> 00:18:40,850 kids well I was in a whole bunch of 429 00:18:46,590 --> 00:18:43,220 white kids when my basketball team 430 00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:46,600 horrible horrible team very embarrassing 431 00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:50,240 some big foot jump shots or some mothman 432 00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:52,400 junk shots come back on the show please 433 00:18:56,260 --> 00:18:54,080 as soon as possible actually we'll do a 434 00:18:58,420 --> 00:18:56,270 youtube you know hang out so we can 435 00:19:00,250 --> 00:18:58,430 screen share these jump shots yeah sure 436 00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:00,260 well yeah thank you very much that then 437 00:19:03,340 --> 00:19:02,240 next time up in Wandsworth we'll get 438 00:19:04,750 --> 00:19:03,350 together have a beer maybe you can 439 00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:04,760 totally paper a house together or 440 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:05,750 something I don't know 441 00:19:16,330 --> 00:19:07,850 there's nothing else to do here so yeah 442 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:16,340 okay right and yeah see ya all right 443 00:19:22,900 --> 00:19:20,410 there he goes okay Oh completely 444 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:22,910 overfunded that's a great problem to 445 00:19:26,020 --> 00:19:23,210 have 446 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:26,030 absolutely I read that completely 447 00:19:29,470 --> 00:19:27,530 backwards and that's why I was surprised 448 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:29,480 he was like two hundred percent funded I 449 00:19:34,050 --> 00:19:32,330 thought he needed exactly twenty two 450 00:19:36,580 --> 00:19:34,060 thousand one hundred fifty-three dollars 451 00:19:38,620 --> 00:19:36,590 yeah of his pledge goal of nine thousand 452 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:38,630 five hundred dollars look backwards mom 453 00:19:41,020 --> 00:19:39,050 baby 454 00:19:44,250 --> 00:19:41,030 there's no it's really kind of hard to 455 00:19:52,270 --> 00:19:50,290 he's not a reader all right man thank 456 00:19:53,470 --> 00:19:52,280 you give him $15 so I can get digital 457 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:53,480 copies of each of these because I think 458 00:19:57,790 --> 00:19:55,970 that's uh look these topics are really 459 00:19:59,470 --> 00:19:57,800 interesting that's what we talk about we 460 00:20:01,080 --> 00:19:59,480 do monsters talking about them and a lot 461 00:20:05,740 --> 00:20:01,090 of other stuff like missing foreign one 462 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:05,750 what I don't like he's like he's kind of 463 00:20:10,780 --> 00:20:09,530 like us indulges in a topic and he talks 464 00:20:12,550 --> 00:20:10,790 about him but he doesn't really come 465 00:20:14,260 --> 00:20:12,560 down hard either way he doesn't really 466 00:20:17,260 --> 00:20:14,270 try to he doesn't try to convince the 467 00:20:19,330 --> 00:20:17,270 audience he just kind of talks about 468 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:19,340 what he discovers and reports on and and 469 00:20:24,820 --> 00:20:20,690 that's it he's just having a 470 00:20:29,170 --> 00:20:24,830 conversation for not being hardcore 471 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:29,180 enough for these folks Lester if he's 472 00:20:33,490 --> 00:20:31,610 ready for the genitalia question he was 473 00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:33,500 ready he say I think he's all in on the 474 00:20:42,730 --> 00:20:39,440 genitalia in fact I think he said that 475 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:42,740 my observation of the lack of genitalia 476 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:45,530 reporting is critical to these if 477 00:20:51,820 --> 00:20:49,510 sakura's cryptozoological community in 478 00:20:54,790 --> 00:20:51,830 confirming these reports in in in 479 00:20:57,940 --> 00:20:54,800 sightings and and I went back and I 480 00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:57,950 watched the the Gimlin film and I'm 481 00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,840 looking at and yeah that is a hot set of 482 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:01,280 tits I'm saying well there's a little 483 00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,810 sack Thurston film well yeah that one 484 00:21:09,070 --> 00:21:06,320 didn't watch it 485 00:21:11,130 --> 00:21:09,080 well I'm rewatching it I'm looking at 486 00:21:14,380 --> 00:21:11,140 I'm reading here's what the Bigfoot 487 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:14,390 patterson-gimlin film film I mean it's 488 00:21:18,940 --> 00:21:16,490 been a while since I've I've looked at 489 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:18,950 it yeah it was a while since I looked at 490 00:21:21,790 --> 00:21:20,210 it so I went back and looked at it and 491 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:21,800 it looks like this Bigfoot could use a 492 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:23,330 bra but I understand that if you're a 493 00:21:26,590 --> 00:21:25,370 but you probably don't have bra shops or 494 00:21:29,770 --> 00:21:26,600 like humming Tory's secret out in the 495 00:21:33,010 --> 00:21:29,780 woods I'm looking right now yeah out of 496 00:21:40,330 --> 00:21:33,020 trash bags yeah I guess I can jerk off 497 00:21:43,050 --> 00:21:40,340 to it you guys were talking if I'm in a 498 00:21:45,820 --> 00:21:43,060 bind yeah I could do that yeah it's fine 499 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:45,830 yeah this Bigfoot has large tracts of 500 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:49,970 land there's definitely some cleveland